Here is a “tip” for you. Making them tax free is stupid, pandering and irresponsible

If you are on the political right, it is saving workers money. If you are not on the right, the reality is higher deficits and federal debt.

Yeah, it’s election rhetoric, but in this time of deficits and debt, to say such a thing is disturbing, not unlike forgiving student loans knowingly incurred.

The National Pulse puts it this way:

Former President Donald J. Trump‘s proposal to end the taxation of tip wages could see workers in the service industry save billions of dollars every year. Analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget suggests that no longer subjecting tips to federal income taxes would result in a $250 billion tax cut over a 10-year budget window.

Under the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) statute, all tip income workers earn is subject to federal income taxes. Ending the taxation of tips would require Congressional action to amend the federal tax code and direct the IRS to stop collections on that source of income. However, it appears former President Trump‘s idea has gained traction among Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

The Committee for a Responsible Budget actually says this:

We estimate exempting all tip income from federal income and payroll taxes would reduce federal revenues by $150 to $250 billion over ten years on a static basis and could reduce revenue significantly more once behavioral effects are incorporated.

At a June 9 speech in Nevada, President Trump declared “When I get to office, we are not going to charge taxes on tips.”

Under current law, tips are treated as ordinary income and subject to both federal income and payroll taxes, although tips are notoriously underreported and employers are subsidized for paying their share of the payroll tax on tips through a FICA tip credit.

Although the Trump campaign has not outlined its proposal in detail, we assume it would make tip income exempt from federal income and payroll taxes. On a static basis, we estimate this would reduce revenue by $150 to $250 billion between Fiscal Year (FY) 2026 through FY 2035, depending on how fast tip income grows and over what distribution of income it is concentrated.

This estimate is net of revenue gains from eliminating the federal FICA tip credit but does not include behavioral effects. In practice, exempting tip income from taxation would lead workers and employers to reclassify ordinary income as tip income where possible and could lead to a larger shift toward lower base pay and higher tipped income, more broadly. The magnitude of that behavioral effect is uncertain and would depend significantly on the regulatory guardrails that accompany the policy. As an illustrative example, if tips were increased by 10 percent, the policy would reduce revenue by $165 to $275 billion, and if they doubled it would increase deficits by $300 to $500 billion.

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  1. In the real world since tips are mostly cash in hand only a fraction of them are actually taxed. Only tips added to Credit card receipts have a paper trail.

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    1. Not actually accurate as the owner must report up to regular minimum wage using a formula. In other words a server could not say they only received $10 for the week.

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  2. great political move but of course grows the the deficit–I hope brother Quinn has as much concern about the student loan transfer to buy votes or the emptying of our Strategic Oil Supply to buy votes– we can go on and on

    but we hear nothing from the opposition as they want to win in Nevada–where’s the great outcry from the Biden media folks–crickets from all sides as they all pander as much as possible.

    why would Trump act responsibly when the opposition is running a candidate that obviously has mental health issues–talk about irresponsible–the greatest threat to the world is the guy with orange hair so let’s run the guy we saw Thursday night who can’t put a thought together–needs a week of our time and 16 aides with their aides to have him remember what he did in his 3.5 years.

    The big lie was exposed so why expect a rational discussion over a tip tax?

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    1. Why would Trump act responsibly? That’s a real question? The student loan debt cancellation was totally political and irresponsible. As far as oil reserves go, trying to buy votes on gas prices given Americans don’t understand what drives those prices. However, in the first round of selling the government made billions on the deal because oil prices had dropped.

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      1. the objective of the oil reserves is to protect us against a military issue and/ or grave national danger not to try some scheme to make money–sell it high and then buy back at a lower price–they sold for purely political reasons as we both know–and they sold recently to buy back in the future when prices fall???

        does this happen all the time?? do you know we refilled the caverns with “cheap oil”? so we refilled the caverns and sold more recently to do the same thing–what a coincidence it was election time when all this happens.

        and of course folks are too stupid to know what drives prices–the great unwashed!!!

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  3. I can see it both ways. On one hand, I wouldn’t want to be dependent on the vagaries of the tip for my livelihood and on the other, it is income if received. The wide figures of revenue lost means the green eyeshade folks don’t really have a handle on it. I wouldn’t object if the old lady waiting tables at the Waffle House didn’t have to report the small tips she receives trying to maintain a living.

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    1. According to the IRS, unreported tips today are one of the largest sources of tax evasion. They estimate 40% are unreported. It used to be 80% until reporting rules for employers were changed several years ago.

      Keep in mind servers must earn at least the federal minimum wage. Employers must make up the difference between the federal minimum wage and the service minimum wage ($2.13) if the server does not make at least the federal minimum wage including tips. This is reflected and paid on the Employee’s paycheck. Also, many states apply a minimum wage quite a bit above the federal $7.25

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      1. I have just two thoughts on that. The Covid mess meant a lot of people got out of handling cash for fear of infection and the use of credit cards as payment ballooned. It still holds according to my limited observations. That means tips are included on the card. That would make tips more trackable. I don’t see any reports where IRS has adjusted their unreported tips due to this. Second, if tips are necessary to get the wage up to the minimum (and I know there are upscale places where tip income is far higher) why is this considered the big target of IRS. How much are they going to squeeze out of lower income folks, especially since IRS staff are paid much higher incomes than the Waffle House waitress I mentioned previously. As estimated, tax loss could be 150-250 billion over 10 years. Fifteen billion a year is a rounding error to the feds. I don’t see the payoff in chasing it.

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