Our healthcare system – if you can call it that – has many aspects that are just nuts. One of the nuttiest is how we pay health care providers.

The payment levels to healthcare providers differs significantly across private insurance, Medicare and Medicaid. If you have neither, you are expected to pay the most.
One group subsidizes the other. If government decides to lower its payments, your costs and likely premiums will be affected.
The only fair way to pay for health care is within one risk pool using the same reimbursement schedules.
Private Insurance:
- Negotiated Rates: Private insurance companies negotiate payment rates with healthcare providers. These rates can vary widely depending on the insurance plan, the provider’s market power, the geographic location, and the specific services rendered.
- Generally Higher: Private insurance generally pays providers the highest rates compared to Medicare and Medicaid. Studies have indicated that private insurers may pay significantly more than Medicare for the same services, especially for hospital services.
- Market Dynamics: The payment rates are influenced by market dynamics, including the number of providers in an area, the number of insured individuals, and the bargaining leverage of both the insurers and the providers.
- Plan Variations: Different types of private insurance plans (e.g., HMOs, PPOs, POS plans) may have different negotiated rates and cost-sharing arrangements (deductibles, copays, coinsurance) that affect the total payment received by the provider.
Medicare:
- Fee Schedules: Medicare primarily uses fee schedules to determine how much it will pay providers for specific services. The main fee schedule is the Medicare Physician Fee Schedule (MPFS) which assigns relative value units (RVUs) to thousands of healthcare services.
- Nationally Determined Base Rates: The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) determines the RVUs, which consider the physician’s work, practice expenses, and malpractice insurance costs. These RVUs are then multiplied by a conversion factor (a dollar amount that is updated annually) to establish the national average payment rate.
- Geographic Adjustments: Medicare adjusts payment rates based on geographic indices to account for variations in the cost of living and practice costs across different regions.
- 80/20 Rule: For most Part B services (physician and outpatient services), Medicare typically pays 80% of the allowed amount under the fee schedule, and the beneficiary is responsible for the remaining 20% (coinsurance).
- Lower Than Private Insurance: Medicare payment rates are generally lower than those of private insurance.
Medicaid:
- State-Specific: Medicaid is a joint federal and state program, and each state has its own Medicaid plan and sets its own provider payment rates within federal guidelines. 1 1. FAQs Category: Medicare and Medicaid – HHS.gov www.hhs.gov
- Lower Reimbursement: Medicaid generally has the lowest reimbursement rates compared to both private insurance and Medicare. In many states, Medicaid physician payment rates are significantly lower than Medicare rates.
- Access Concerns: The lower payment rates in Medicaid have raised concerns about physician participation and access to care for Medicaid beneficiaries.
- Varied Payment Models: States use various payment models, including fee-for-service, managed care arrangements (where the state pays a fixed amount per member per month to a managed care organization), and other innovative payment models.
- Supplemental Payments: Some states offer supplemental payments to certain types of providers, such as hospitals, to help offset the lower base payment rates.
It’s important to note that these are general trends, and the specific payment levels can vary significantly based on numerous factors at the local, regional, and individual plan/provider levels.Sources and related content


“The only fair way to pay for health care is within one risk pool using the same reimbursement schedules.”
Fair? The only fair thing to do is to allow me to be treated by the best at the lowest cost. I shouldn’t have to be treated by any doctor or system that isn’t the best in the world. And, I shouldn’t have to pay them anything more than the least any provider would accept.
That is “fair”.
Fair is what Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren and other idiot progressives want. They want the best health care treatment and coverage YOUR money will buy. The difference is that they want to create a system using YOUR money to buy votes.
We just saw the idiot Trump do it again this morning, via an Executive Order for “Most Favored Nations” Rx pricing for Medicare beneficiaries.
If you were a drug company, what would you do?
You would do he same thing physicians and hospitals have been doing for four decades, accept the government price fixing, the mandate, and … shift the cost to those who are not subject to the government price fixing, the mandate.
Idiot president Biden did it with the inflation reduction act and Medicare pricing. Obama did it with health reform and Medicaid expansion.
Until we stop letting the beltway idiots buy votes and shift the cost to others, we will continue to get what we currently have. What we need is to take away the politicians ability to buy votes.
Interested in a price comparison between Medicare, Medicaid and private sector?
See:
Medicare vs. Medicaid – https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2024.01530
Medicare vs. Private Sector – https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA1144-2-v2.html
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It seems you are making the case for a single payment system where such cost shifting would not be an issue.
When I was working I rarely used health care so my premiums were paying for someone else. I don’t see that as a problem.
The more groups segmented in the system, the greater chance for what you fear.
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No, with a single payer system, the government would be totally in charge, picking winners and losers, and buying votes. You have it ass backwards, by giving the beltway idiots total control over setting prices.
If you are right and I am wrong, why does Medicare have different prices in different locations, why do Medicare and Medicaid prices differ? Why do they cover different Rx? Why does Medicare charge different premiums to people with the same health status?
Just because everyone is in the same “pool” doesn’t mean that no one gets soaked!
The goal should be equity, not fairness. The goal should be to treat similarly situated people the same and differently situated people, differently, proportionately.
Fairness? Taking your national risk pool fairness argument to its end point, means that, to be “fair”, you need to have the same pricing for every doctor and hospital and other provider for every service and every product in every location in the 50 states and the territories. Else, that wouldn’t be “fair”. You need to ignore the differences in cost among providers to provide the service. To be “fair”, everyone must have the same contribution (per capita), regardless of actual risk – regardless of age so an individual in perfectly good health at birth and someone over 100 years old in hospice would be charged the same premium. They are all in the same pool right? Even though the risk of treatment may vary dramatically, it is only “fair” that we pool them together, right? You can’t have pre-existing conditions – even for the free riders and anti selectors. You can’t have any difference in pricing by occupation, location, family or marraige status, by personal health habits, by risk taking (hang gliding), etc. I mean, it is only “fair” to ignore actual, well known, clearly understood differences in risk and cost … right?
So, if you think this correct for health insurance, how about auto, homeowner, renter, life, and other insurance products? How about food and housing – they are as essential as health coverage.
Insurance risk pooling is not everyone in the same pool. Insurance risk pooling is like risks in the same pool and different risks in different pools.
There is no rationale for a single risk pool with all kinds of different risks mushed together other than a ploy to further increase the government’s power AND increasing wealth transfers based on what ever government faction is in charge. Remember Health Reform? The cost for a family would decline $2,500 a year. Yes, that DID happen! Those who qualified for subsidies, saw their costs decline by more than that, on average. How about everyone else whose taxes had to fund those subsidies? No, the cost of their health coverage did not go down, and, their taxes went up (or, actually, the deficits went up and the national debt ballooned from $10+ Trillion to $36+ Trillion over 15 years!)
Keep in mind that you and I can come to totally different conclusions and recommendations despite the fact that we each have decades of experience leading benefits functions at Fortune 500 firms and even though we are both eligible for Medicare today. My experience tells me, if only based on the addition of $26+ Trillion in new debt, that less government is MORE for you, more for me and more for most Americans – Less for those who receive benefits from Congress and our idiot Presidents buying votes.
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