Ok, let’s make this simple so even I can understand it. The US enters a deep recession in 2008, blame who or what you will, who cares at this point.
True to Keynesian economics the government initiates massive spending to stimulate the economy although some economists such as Paul Krugman say it was too little. Nevertheless, what spending occurred added significantly to the massive US debt.
In addition, the government targeted certain groups for special treatment i.e. mortgage holders, car buyers, students, etc.
The result of all this spending is questionable at best. Economic growth is anemic and unemployment is still high. Study after study shows that uncertainty, concern over regulation and tax increases are hampering business decisions that could help economic growth.
In other words, it is fair to ask, what have we gotten for our spending? Our progressive friends will likely say it would have been worse without all their efforts. But after three and a half years of trying I’m not sure that is much comfort to many Americans. One thing is for sure, we have massive debt to be paid one way or the other by the next generation.
In the real world, people are rarely paid for effort.
With all the above well known and no end in sight our President insists on focusing not on solutions, but on diverting our attention with a constant drumbeat of getting the wealthy to pay their “fair share.” Whether you want to believe individuals who have worked their way to a $200,000 or more in annual income don’t pay a fair share in taxes is up to you. However, the idea that taxing a small percentage of our population will make any significant impact on the debt or that it will do anything to create jobs or stimulate growth is ridicules… In my opinion.


I am of the opinion that the tax cut enacted by G Bush in 2001 was the first error. He starts a war and cuts taxes, duh! Talk about Economics 101! The war continues much longer than his rant on the ship some short days later when he states,’mission accomplished’ and here we are ten years later still paying to get out of the place. If his tax and plan was so worthy why did it put us into the deepest recession since the great depression? Obviously his bad policies coupled with Europes continuuing issues have made getting us out of the hole difficult but I will add that we are better today than where we were 3.6 years ago when there was legimate concern of sinking into a depression, and I will opine that we will likely be better 4 years from now if we get a congress willing to do something besides just assault the opposition. This last statement will apply no matter who gets elected. e.g. Tip O’neal worked with Ron Reagan and moved legislation wheras these clowns just want to be a fly in the ointment.
If reducing the tax on the wealthy was so right than why did we sink into such a horrendous economic situation by late 2008? The policy had a seven year time frame of opportunity in which to show the effects of the trickle down economic theory and since it has continued for what is now over ten years, why is it still a failed theory? I will offer that todays newspaper ( The Record) hits the nail on the head by reporting that the wealthiest 15% of NJ population have seen their fortunes expand while the balance and especially the poor have seen theirs deteriorate. In other words the rich have chosen to merely retain most of the excess and not re-invest the additional wealth and so they have gotten richer at the expense of the poorer class of our society. If this is allowed to continue we will breed revolt (isn’t that what Occupy Wall Street really is?) and so I offer that if for no other reason we need to return to a fairer tax on the wealthy and allow them to keep less so that even though it may not cure the economy it will at least send the signal that the pendulum has swung and we will again be on the road to a more just economy. In my opinion this is an important step in declaring the intent of the American Democratic system. No I am not in favor of grants and handouts but we need to recognize that most people given an opportunity want to have meaningful employment and not get a gift. The rich will still prosper and certainly they will eat three meals a day and have a roof over their heads but if their intent is to just see how much their finances grow at the expense of folks who are struggling with daily necessities then my vote is for those who have little. The notion that the rich will no longer invest is bogus and overstated in my opinion because ultimately they do want more as that is what makes them successful to begin with. While the great majority are content with having a roof over their heads and food on the table there are those who will always be ambitious and strive to succeed beyond the norm and that is a good thing and I suspect the world would be a very sad place if it were not for those folks. The fact that they have to make do with a little less will not crush their ambition but it may crush the opportunity for a poor student because the cost for a semester at the local community college went from six hundred dollars to nine hundred dollars and so that persons family just cannot afford to let them attend.
I have gone on a bit but I wanted to make a point that while taxing those higher incomes may in fact not as you stated make any “significant impact on the debt or that it will do anything to create jobs or stimulate growth” , yet I beleive it will make a significant difference in the attitude with which the majority of the public views the spirit of our American Society and as such is a worthwhile motive for enactment. In my opinion enhancing a sense of fairness is a worthwhile motive especially when it applies to the 99%!
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Please explain exactly how the wealthy who have earned their money (usually by benefiting many other people in the process) keeping less benefits middle class Americans? The so-called wealthy pay most of all taxes while the middle class and below benefit most from the tax credits, standard deductions, tax free benefits, mortgage interest deductions, payroll tax holidays, etc. Fair can be defined in many ways. But what is most unfair is what we are doing to our children and grandchildren.
Dick
Richard D Quinn Editor Quinnscommentary.com
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I will agree with your comments, but as a combat vet I will disagree with the war comment. We didn’t start the war, but we darn sure should finish the right way.
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Sounds like a rant against Keynesian economics, OK, so we all have our preferences and hangups. The question is, is it an effective tool to work our way out of our current predicament? The logic of it sounds reasonable and our past experience, the depression years, supports it. However, you say “Study after study shows that uncertainty, concern over regulation and tax increases are hampering business decisions that could help economic growth”. What are these studies? If we look back to our experience, low taxes has not always correlated to high growth. At times, during good economic years taxes and regulation where at their highest levels. On the other hand uncertainty is a more believable factor but what’s the source of it. Maybe the culprit is political intransigence or perhaps the disappearing middle class.
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No rant intended except perhaps against irresponsible politicians. However, I do think it’s questionable that such spending was successful during the depression.
Quote: [U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr.]: No, gentlemen, we have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong, as far as I am concerned, somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises…
But why not let’s come to grips? And as I say, all I am interested in is to really see this country prosperous and this form of Government continue, because after eight years if we can’t make a success somebody else is going to claim the right to make it and he’s got the right to make the trial. I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started.
Mr. Doughton: And an enormous debt to boot!
HMJr.: And an enormous debt to boot! We are just sitting here and fiddling and I am just wearing myself out and getting sick. Because why? I can’t see any daylight. I want it for my people, for my children, and your children. I want to see some daylight and I don’t see it…
—Transcript of private meeting at the Treasury Department, May 9, 1939, F.D. Roosevelt Presidential Library
The studies are better described as surveys (my fault) and the papers and publications are full of such reports.
Dick
Richard D Quinn Editor
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What is interesting is that the cut-off point for increasing the tax rate is slightly above what the Congress gets paid. I wonder why that is?
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Interesting point.
Dick
Richard D Quinn Editor
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