I am beside myself with this one. The more I read, the more I cannot believe that such naive people actually exist let alone get elected to public office.
Putting aside for a moment the idiocy of individual states going in their own direction on health care when we are still trying to implement a national law, let’s focus on the statements below and the logic espoused here. These are various quotes from different publications covering the New York Assembly’s passage of authorization for a single payer health care system.
The real shame is that people are being misled and lied to. Based on the following, we are asked to believe that a generous health plan with no cost-sharing and no oversight over utilization will save billions of dollars just because there are no insurance companies involved. Given that logic, Medicare should be rolling in cash and large employers should not be concerned about health care costs at all given they do not use insurance, but are self-insured (covering about 70 million Americans).
If you eliminated all the activities that insurance companies perform unrelated to health care claims (which would required in some manner by any system), you might lower premiums by 5%, but you do nothing to change claim costs or the growth of health care spending.
This is among the dumbest of all statements. “…reduce rising costs by taking insurance companies and their costs out of the mix.” This recalls the rhetoric vilifying insurance companies during the Obamacare debate.
Here’s another nonsensical statement, “intrusive insurance companies whose goal is to deny claims rather than provide care.” Insurance companies do not provide care at all. They do not exist to arbitrarily deny claims and their profits are well within normal limits. Also keep in mind that many of the insurance companies in the Obamacare exchanges are non-profit consumer operated and charge premiums equal to or in some cases higher than for-profit insurers and they still struggle with premium increases.
If you want to see the result of little or no effective administration or claim oversight, you just have to look to Medicare and its tens of billions in fraud and waste. The fact is to operate efficiently even a single payer system must perform the administrative functions of an insurer and that includes care management, application of medical necessity standards and provider management.
Here is the bottom line. Beware of naive political rhetoric promising all the positive things and ignoring the facts and the consequences.
The New York Assembly voted 89-47 on Wednesday for legislation to establish publicly funded universal health coverage in a so-called single payer system.
All New Yorkers could enroll. Backers said it would extend coverage to the uninsured and reduce rising costs by taking insurance companies and their costs out of the mix.
With no patient premiums, deductibles or co-payments for hospital and doctor visits, testing, drugs or other care, New York Health would pay providers through collectively negotiated rates. It would be funded through a progressive payroll tax paid 80 percent by employers and 20 percent by employees.
Also, waivers would be sought so federal funds now received for New Yorkers in Medicare, Medicaid and Child Health Plus would apply.
“Employers are shifting more and more health care costs to workers or are dropping it entirely,” said Assemblyman Richard Gottfried, chief sponsor. “The only ones who benefit are the insurance companies.”
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/living/health-fitness/article22451757.html#storylink=cpy
There would be a net savings of $45 billion in health spending by 2019, Gottfried said, based on an analysis from Dr. Gerald Friedman, a professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
Assemblyman Richard Gottfried, chair of the health committee, gave an impassioned speech on the floor in support of the New York Health Act, arguing that it was long past time for New Yorkers to rid themselves of the intrusive insurance companies whose goal is to deny claims rather than provide care.
“You do not have to be an Einstein to understand New York Health is the right choice for New York,” Gottfried said.
The bill, Gottfried said, would lower costs by getting rid of insurance companies. It would lower administrative costs and allow doctors to focus their time on treating patients instead of fighting for reimbursements.
“What will bring down health care costs is taking out of the equation the more than 20 percent we now spend on administrators whose job it is to fight with insurance companies,” he said.
The plan’s benefits, Gottfried said, would be more generous than any plan on the current market, and there would be no co-pays or deductibles. The bill would also require a care coordinator for every member, though that coordinator is not empowered to choose the type of care a patient receives.
Oh, and then there is this. Vermont found out it was too costly. Surprise, surprise‼️ “Might hurt our economy?” duh ya think?
“It is not the right time for Vermont” to pass a single-payer system, Shumlin acknowledged in a public statement ending his signature initiative. He concluded the 11.5 percent payroll assessments on businesses and sliding premiums up to 9.5 percent of individuals’ income “might hurt our economy.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711.html#ixzz3bSFgIqfa
Look at the estimated cost of the Vermont single-payer system; a total of 21% of payroll (income). Now look at the current Bureau of Labor figures on what employers spend on health benefits.



Thirty-two of the thirty-three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception [1]. The following list, compiled from WHO sources where possible, shows the start date and type of system used to implement universal health care in each developed country [2]. Note that universal health care does not imply government-only health care, as many countries implementing a universal health care plan continue to have both public and private insurance and medical providers.
Country Start Date of Universal Health Care System Type
Click links for more source material on each country’s health care system.
Norway 1912 Single Payer
New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
Japan 1938 Single Payer
Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
Sweden 1955 Single Payer
Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
Brunei 1958 Single Payer
Canada 1966 Single Payer
Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
Finland 1972 Single Payer
Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
France 1974 Two-Tier
Australia 1975 Two Tier
Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
Italy 1978 Single Payer
Portugal 1979 Single Payer
Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
Spain 1986 Single Payer
South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
Iceland 1990 Single Payer
Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
Israel 1995 Two-Tier
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Well known facts. Now, address the issue I raised. Is this right for each State? Do you seriously believe the projected savings or the fact health care costs are high because of insurance companies?
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Seems like it’s 33/33 given the U.S. now has an insurance mandate system.
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Best part is the last line of the vermont story:
“… Gottfried has been introducing his New York single-payer bill every year since 1992. The cause is “not for the faint of heart,” he said. …”
Seems Mr. Gottfried has not changed his mind in the past 23 years. Keep in mind that he probably won re-election by his constituents 10 or 12 times during that period. So, he is not misleading people, they simply believe he can use a progressive taxation program so as to get someone else to cover more of the cost. Maryland tried that with a millionaire’s surtax, and, oops, they went from 7,000 individuals who paid taxes on $1+MM in 2007 to less than 5,000 individuals who paid taxes on $1+MM in income in 2008 (2008 was the year prior to the Great Recession).
Also, keep in mind that back in 1992, health care spend as a percentage of GDP in America was about 12%, today it has grown 50% faster than the economy and is now approaching 18%. 1992 was the year prior to the Clinton Administration’s Health Security Act – a law almost as proscriptive as PPACA.
Remember that idea – three options, one with no deductible or copays, one with a $200 deductible and one with copays. Employers pay 80% of the cost plus any shortfalls. Individual/employer mandates. Low cost sharing, charge employers for shortfalls.
Also keep in mind that New York really did benefit from PPACA – the individual market had all but collapsed prior to PPACA. The Assembly had already proved that open access (no pre-ex, minimal underwriting, etc.) would not work without outside subsidies. Similarly, Massachusetts proved PPACA would not work without massive federal government subsidies – if only in the form of massive infusions in Medicaid spending.
So, this remains a debate focused on what Americans want when it comes to health care -they want someone else to pay. They don’t want to save up for the eventuality when they will need to spend on their own health coverage. They think others are better positioned to shoulder the burden.
I heard it loud and clear at a government sponsored focus group of 1,000+ people in Cincinnatti – more than 10+ years ago:
“I want the best health care coverage YOUR money will buy.”
Some things never change.
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You right about that for sure.
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