WASHINGTON—The Biden administration is proposing new limits on vehicle tailpipe emissions, seeking to spur U.S. auto makers to generate two-thirds of their sales through electric vehicles in a decade.
Wall Street Journal.
Hey. I’m all for saving the environment, lowering dangerous emissions, etc. but there is more to it than just issuing a new regulation.
Policy makers should be asking Americans how an EV would work in their daily lives, on vacation travel, on longer trips, for work purposes.
We should be assessing the availability and location of natural resources to build EV batteries. Can we access these minerals within the US? Are foreign sources reliable and being mined responsibly?
Some people, including me, question the disposal of batteries no longer able to run a vehicle. I have to admit there seems to be hope with that.
My main question is how practical are EVs in all aspects of our lives with regard to range and charging time. I sure couldn’t have made last years cross country trip with an EV.
Will an EV pickup add to work delay and cost for businesses that rely on them?
Will the charging infrastructure be built on the same timeframe as the regulations for EV use?
Electric Vehicle Charging Speeds
Electric vehicles can be charged using three charging speeds.
Level 1
The slowest, Level 1 equipment, provides charging through a common residential 120-volt (120V) AC outlet. Level 1 chargers can take 40-50 hours to charge a battery electric vehicle (BEV) from empty and 5-6 hours to charge a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) from empty.
Level 2
Level 2 equipment offers charging through 240V (in residential applications) or 208V (in commercial applications) electrical service, and is common for home, workplace, and public charging. Level 2 chargers can charge a BEV from empty in 4-10 hours and a PHEV from empty in 1-2 hours.
Direct Current Fast Charging (DCFC)
The fastest speed, direct current fast charging (DCFC) equipment, enables rapid charging along heavy-traffic corridors at installed stations. DCFC equipment can charge a BEV to 80 percent in just 20 minutes to 1 hour. Most PHEVs currently on the market do not work with fast chargers.
Source: US Department of Transportation
How long will the stop be at the next rest area?
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My son just sold his 2022 KIA Sorento PHEV, because he said it was not saving him much money since he lives 5 miles from work. He made $3,000 in the deal because of the federal tax break. EVs are for the rich, I would love to have one but since I only pay $100 in federal taxes, I get zero tax benefit.
EVs are a big profit for the car makers, since they have fewer parts, and cost less to make than ICE cars. But they are a big loser for the dealerships because EVs require less maintenance and repair.
Anyone buying an EV better install solar and wind power to charge at home or any savings may disappear once electricity rates rise to provide all the extra power generation needed.
I am 67 and by age 75 I may not even own a car. I us my car a couple of times per week now and hate that I have to pay insurance of $105 per month for a car I use 8 times per month. Just spent $900 on a new set of tires and figure it cost me $3,600 per year just to have a car.
I have used the city bus in the past, when I did not have a car for 24 months back in 2011- 2012. With all the stuff you can have delivered and Uber and Lyft there is really no reason to own a car in retirement, unless you live out in the country.
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Even if there were enough charging stations, there isn’t going to be enough electrical capacity to actually use them. California has already asked people not to charge their vehicles a couple times, and this is with only a couple percent EV… what are they going to do when there are 30 times the number of EV to charge? I hate to sound conspiracy theory, but I believe this is planned… They don’t actually want you to have personal transportation in 20-30 years. They will control when and where you go.
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Too late?
“Ford files patent for cars that can repossess themselves – Autoblog
Tesla and others can update operating systems remotely and otherwise control the car. Of course, many ICE cars can be shut down, unlocked, analyzed, etc. Our 2003 Buick with On Star could.
My work mechanic said he wouldn’t own a car without a carburetor. That’s when it all started.
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
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Are apartment buildings going to add the expense of installing EV chargers? Where do you put EV chargers in cities or in neighborhoods of row homes? People shot each other now over parking spots that they dig out after a snow storm, are they going to kill for an EV charger? EVs will not work in fly over states because the distances are too vast.
Crude oil is the basic building block for so many products from asphalt to plastics. If you take away one source of revenue from an oil company, that being vehicle fuels, the cost of everything else just went up as the incentive to find new oil will disappear for a more limited market. If the oil company can’t sell gasoline and a byproduct for making non-fuel products, what do they do with it?
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Do you (or your grandchildren) have a choice? Petroleum is crucial for tons of goods and services.
EV commercial airplanes won’t fly. (sorry)
Petroleum is finite.
What’s left will become more difficult to produce.
And more costly.
EV may be just a bridge until hydrogen/nuclear?, etc. becomes viable.
I won’t be here.
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Imagine the lines at rest areas of people waiting to charge up their EV. You can gas up a car in 5 minutes or so, but up to an hour to charge an EV? And what about staying at hotels overnight?
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One thing you forgot to mention is what about battery fires. They seem to be very common especially with Teslas. Additionally, what about cold weather use? I’ve seen articles that say EV’s won’t charge in cold weather and battery life seriously deteriorates in cold weather too.
Tom
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There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles.
But…
hybrid vehicles had the most fires per 100,000 sales at 3474.5. (logical? Gas + electricity)
And…
Battery fires are much harder to distinguish.
Caveat…
I have seen stats like this before and just now noticed it is fires per hundred thousand vehicles sold. Fires per 100,000 miles driven may be a whole different story.
That first sentence looks very dramatic. May be misleading.
Anyone seen better data on fires?
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Nevermind…
“Pinfa (Phosphorous, Inorganic and Nitrogen Flame Retardants Association) suggested around 55 fires per billion miles traveled in ICEs compared to 5 fires per billion miles traveled for EVs.”
Similar to Tesla released data suggesting one fire for every 205 million miles traveled which is over 10 times less common than the US national average.
Trust me
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The turnover from an ice vehicle fleet to ev will be costly beyond belief if the time frame is pushed up. It takes 12 years or more to replace a generation of vehicles. Since your trade in would be worthless, many families will struggle with the costs. This is just one big issue, how will the power grid carry the load is another. The list goes on and on.
The politicos think all you have to do is pass a bill or write new regulations and poof the change will happen.
Try saving for retirement or paying more into the Social Security fund while retrofitting the house from natural gas to all electric and replacing vehicles that have suddenly become worthless.
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Where is all the electricity going to come from ? The grid in Texas and California is on life support now.
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